Eric Topol

And just so as we're getting warmed up here, this is Matthew Cobb's seventh book, okay?

And

He has another one that he's working on, on Heredity.

So he's not going to stop writing, and he is amazing.

Now, I thought we'd start with all the insights I learned about Francis Crick from such a deep interrogation of what he was like.

He, in many ways, was a challenging dogma, a boat rocker,

But interestingly, besides being agnostic, he would throw racy parties, he's bohemian, he's a philanderer, he had an open marriage with his wife Odile, is how do you say it?

For 55 years, even though he had affairs and whatnot.

He was an intellectual snob, he never voted, he had no radio or TV until 1980.

So arrogant, ruthless.

He wrote about stuff that would be eugenics, quick-witted.

But on the other hand, he would give talks to children.

There are a lot of paradoxes about this man.

And maybe you can kind of tell me, did I have it right that this guy was just a very unique character?

Yeah, no, and I thought there was some common ground there with James Watson, who also was known for his eugenics, race.

I don't know.

He also was a misogynist.

But, I mean, they shared these bad traits, wouldn't you say?

That'll be really interesting.

Okay.