Eric Topol

I mean, we need this human immunome work.

There's a project that started at Yale, but it doesn't have that much funding.

but to understand this complex system, we're going to start to see in the beginning of next year, these so-called immune system clocks that will tell us the pace of a person's immune system aging, which is important in people who are older, just because some of them are immunosenescent already.

And it's good to know that, especially when you're giving them a vaccine and you're hoping they're going to work really well, but lots of other reasons as well.

So last to close before I

ask you for this one note of optimism because we got to end with some optimism i want to say what you did with kovacs is just you know it's so beyond belief and a lot of people don't know the story fair doses is really a way to tell a story that is just quite extraordinary for those who really want to know what happened here all the ins and outs the inside story if you will

who came together, how it all worked, all the obstacles.

I couldn't recommend the book more.

So Seth, can you leave us with some type of optimistic note as we finish up here?

the human achievement, the potential that you actualize with COVAX and tell the story on fair doses, as we saw with the Operation Warp Speed, we can do big things if we set our mind.

And I have to also say that we're in a, a lull is a nice word right now for what we're going through.

It's much worse than that.

We will come back.

We will see, I hope, a reactive hyperemia of the science of evidence and data to drive

great human achievement.

And sure, we'll have some help with AI along the way.

But that's what I think the story of Fair Doses tells me.

Doing big things for the planet, for the whole, you know, billions of people that inhabit it.

When you

don't even know that there's a pandemic, when you don't even know there's going to be a vaccine in a year, that's a story that will go down for the ages.