Eric Topol

And I assume they do promote a higher level of slow-wave deep sleep than placebo.

They also are touted not to be habit-forming or addictive.

I don't know if that's true.

Yeah.

Anyway, people should at least know about them because it could be helpful.

Now, there's two parts to the sleep

difficulty, not sleep apnea, which we'll talk about in a moment, but getting to sleep and staying asleep.

And they seem to be very different.

Of course, you just mentioned

uh, um, you were all about the, uh, mind wandering racing issue, which could be related to both.

You wake up for some interruption and then you just are minds moving, uh, at a high velocity and you can't get back to sleep.

Are there differences the way you look at as a sleep medicine physician about how do you deal with those two categories?

Right, right.

You know, that's an important distinction and how you got to dig deep to potentially figure out what is linked.

Recently, there's the idea that you could stimulate the vagal nerve, these external devices, and that would just help you sleep.

Is there anything to that?

And you're bringing up this critical topic of the interdependence of sleep with physical activity and with diet, and that includes beverages, but also when you eat, what you eat.

I mean, it's not just sleep, of course.

It's a multivariate equation that's coming together.

Now, recently there was a really interesting paper published