Eric Topol

You're going to have a whole lot quicker and more impressive recovery.

So it goes right along with meat instead of rice.

That's right.

You know, one of the things, the new frontiers of pain management are really exciting, and you get to them in the book.

But a fascinating story is the family of firewalkers that led to a drug.

Um, I think it's, uh, uh, Sue's.

Is that your gene?

Yeah.

Which a lot of people don't know about and it's out there.

So can you, can you trace that story first?

Cause I think it's just, you know, a gene.

Yeah.

You know, I think it's just the beginning too, because as you really nicely summarize, learning from genetics

pathways of having preserved sensation, but without pain.

There's piezoreceptors, these channels that hopefully we're going to see building on these with other really, forget opioids, forget even the drugs we have today, much better drugs.

And this is exemplifying that.

But also what I love about what you get into, all the other ways, like for example, your experience at Northwell Health,

where they're using, instead of opioids, they're using combinations of drugs with no, you know, maybe you could just give an example of that.

I know you're going to have a special this weekend, which I guess is like a preview for that, which is, I'm looking forward to watching it.

But I think you have a clip, I've seen a teaser clip with the Northwell thing.