Eric Topol

What was that about?

Yeah, I mean, and you even go back to the ancient times and you bring in the studies for acupuncture.

Yeah.

You know, there are many randomized studies for acupuncture that can help people too.

So this is what I love about the book is that it's very comprehensive.

I mean, you get into treatment for trigeminal neuralgia, which is like the worst pain.

And now we have a way to get to that, right, without...

Yeah, no, I think it's impressive how you've talked to so many pain experts and physicians today

you know, around the country, they're all in the book.

I mean, it's not like, you know, this is not a research project without lots of expert input.

So another really good dimension here.

Now, one of the concerns that you get into is about this, because it's in the brain,

And I think it was kind of the last thing I want to just touch on.

Doctors are often dismissive of pain because it's subjective.

And because you're giving agency to people to manage their pain, it's them that really have control over this to a certain extent.

There's a worrisome here.

And a worry, that is, that this all-in-your-head issue.

Maybe you can just touch on that because some people could get off track.

Well, the message here is clear.

You're giving a lot of hope to a lot of people, like almost a fourth of people that are suffering from some chronic pain.