Eric Topol

You know, we've seen how RFK Jr.

fired the CDC director through, of course, President Trump.

But we also heard from the other people who, you know, well, these other CDC leading senior officials.

That when anything happened, like a measles outbreak or bird flu or whatever, that they have all the expertise.

They were never consulted about anything.

What do you make of that?

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Yeah.

I mean, the thing is that everything has to look that we're going backwards.

We're going into like a Byzantine era of public health in the United States, just when the threats are more than perhaps ever, and the science hasn't advanced or can advance, the funding being reduced, the people with experience being lost because resignations or being fired or whatnot.

So can you, I know you as an optimistic guy.

I also, you know, it resonates through the big one book that you're hoping for the best.

But are you able to keep your, you know, your whole overall positive outlook with all that's going on?

You got to hang on.

I share, actually, your optimism.

I think that ultimately we're in a tough spell here, and that may go on for some period of time.

But I do think, you know, with the irrepressible advances in science, you know, that we know, you outlined it so well in the book, the things we have to do to get ready, not react.

but to be ready.