Eric Topol

What are your thoughts about that?

Yeah, no, I think your tie-in with that industry is really quite noteworthy.

I want to get onto the hits of all this.

We've talked about the network and how it's progressed in recent years.

We're going to see attrition of young scientists.

We're going to see, we have seen the loss of public trust and, you know, anti-establishment, anti-medical community, which, by the way, also adds to the wellness industry's support.

But this attack on universities.

and the leadership of the public agencies, NIH, CDC, FDA, the HHS in general, we're in a very tough spot right now because there's so many things here that even perhaps when you were pulling the book together with Michael, they hadn't fully understood.

come to pass.

That is, a whole new administration came in and the attack on universities started to go.

And we're not done with that, of course.

Yeah, we're going to get into that future path in a moment.

But before I do, and by the way, one of the quotes in the book is so telling.

Anti-science is quite literally killing us by Katona and colleagues.

But, you know, the media here isn't helping.

We're talking about traditional mainstream media, social media.

One of the things I really highlight is this false equivalence, the both sides-ism that you see all the time.

This is beyond the Fox business model and Newsmax and Alex Jones and whatnot.

This is some of our best media that gives equal weight to something that's completely bogus, wrong,

And something that is obviously remarkably intact, true.