Eric Zimmer

And I think that's often, you know, the dishwasher thing is when a dishwasher leaves to fight in all night is often because there is an amplification of things that have been building.

Yeah, I love that phrase in your book, the wrong side of right.

That is a great phrase.

And I heard it.

I was like, that is exactly it.

Like in recovery, we used a phrase all the time.

It's a corollary.

It's not quite the same thing, but it was, would you rather be right or would you rather be happy?

Yes.

You know, you had to look a lot of the time and be like, well, okay, which is it I want to be?

Do I want to be right or do I want to be happy?

And oftentimes the desire to insist that I'm right is going to make me unhappy because it's going to make someone else be wrong in my life.

And who wants that?

And that's where egos dig in and the battle deepens.

How do you think about emotion and reasoning?

And this question is going to take a little bit longer to ask than I might like, but I'll get there.

Because one of the things that we know from looking at various studies of different people is if you take somebody and you more or less they lose the emotion in their brain, they become incapable of making decisions.

right so emotion is playing a role in decision making right and it does tell us something to do about what's important to us what matters to us so how do you avoid getting into sort of a binary where it's like it can't be emotional i have to be rational right how do you think about that because i agree with you that the ability to pause and look at the emotions and see what they are and then choose a response is incredibly important some people do that at the expense of having any emotion

Right.

They try and squelch their emotion, which has all sorts of other challenges.