Eric Zimmer

So how do you think about that?

So give me some examples of other types of rituals that might help us manage

emotion.

I mean, the term that I like is emotional regulation, right?

It's the ability to regulate my emotions and to, to your point, not let them be in charge, let them do what they need to do and learn what I can learn from them and feel what I feel.

But there is a time and a place and a degree to all of this.

So what are some things for you when you're feeling really emotional that ritual wise that allow you to take the temperature down a little bit?

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I've often said that depression hates a moving target, but there's a cruel irony in there because moving is one of the hardest things to do with depression.