Erin Allman-Updike

The guidance on saturated fat for years has been...

that saturated fat increases our LDL cholesterol, which is the type of cholesterol associated with cardiovascular disease, and saturated fat intake increases cardiovascular disease and mortality from cardiovascular disease.

The data is like as strong as it gets when it comes to nutrition data.

And there are so, so much data that shows that reducing our saturated fat specifically in these ways

One, by replacing saturated fats like butter and lard and beef tallow with plant-based fats like olive oil, vegetable oil, seed oils, improves people's lipid profiles and reduces cardiovascular disease.

And number two, replacing animal-based sources of saturated fat, including red meat and white meat and dairy products, with plant-based sources of proteins like legumes and whole grains and vegetables reduces cardiovascular disease.

These are not new data.

These are longstanding.

So these recommendations and the lumping of these sources of highly saturated fat as a healthy option is not based in data whatsoever.

And to still say, like, we need to be eating animal-based protein.

We need to be eating whole fat dairy products.

We need to be using butter as our healthy fat.

But we should be limiting our saturated fat intake to 10% of our diet.

Like, that's not feasible.

Yeah.

You can't do all of that.

From word vomit mouths.

And really, like, the way that they made these guidelines is also different than what you walked us through, Aaron, of the typical how these dietary guidelines are made.

And you told us last week that there has always been black boxes.

Yeah.