Ernst Roets

And the appropriate way to deal with that is not to try to enforce your way of thinking onto the other, but to try to find a way where there's mutual recognition and respect between different perspectives.

Yeah, which to us was very important, but in their culture, it's not that big a deal. And the signed document is almost irrelevant.

Yeah, which to us was very important, but in their culture, it's not that big a deal. And the signed document is almost irrelevant.

Yeah, which to us was very important, but in their culture, it's not that big a deal. And the signed document is almost irrelevant.

1990.

1990.

1990.

So we're basically 35 years away from that.

So we're basically 35 years away from that.

So we're basically 35 years away from that.

Is that about right? Let me just say something about the dismantling of the apartheid system. By the end of the system, initially it started out as an attempt to deal with these complex dynamics that we've been discussing. And the broad idea was, let's give everyone homelands. We have a strong central government to keep everyone in check, and then the different nations have their own homelands.

Is that about right? Let me just say something about the dismantling of the apartheid system. By the end of the system, initially it started out as an attempt to deal with these complex dynamics that we've been discussing. And the broad idea was, let's give everyone homelands. We have a strong central government to keep everyone in check, and then the different nations have their own homelands.

Is that about right? Let me just say something about the dismantling of the apartheid system. By the end of the system, initially it started out as an attempt to deal with these complex dynamics that we've been discussing. And the broad idea was, let's give everyone homelands. We have a strong central government to keep everyone in check, and then the different nations have their own homelands.

And, you know, that sounds great, but in practice it's not quite that applicable, especially when you still have a strong central government that sort of manages everything. But by the 80s, the Afrikaner people knew this is not working. You know, we need to change.

And, you know, that sounds great, but in practice it's not quite that applicable, especially when you still have a strong central government that sort of manages everything. But by the 80s, the Afrikaner people knew this is not working. You know, we need to change.

And, you know, that sounds great, but in practice it's not quite that applicable, especially when you still have a strong central government that sort of manages everything. But by the 80s, the Afrikaner people knew this is not working. You know, we need to change.

Culturally. So the argument was that South Africa should be thought of as Europe, which I don't think is a bad argument because the point is it's a big piece of land that's very diverse. And how do we deal with that? And the solution to Europe is not have one big European government,

Culturally. So the argument was that South Africa should be thought of as Europe, which I don't think is a bad argument because the point is it's a big piece of land that's very diverse. And how do we deal with that? And the solution to Europe is not have one big European government,

Culturally. So the argument was that South Africa should be thought of as Europe, which I don't think is a bad argument because the point is it's a big piece of land that's very diverse. And how do we deal with that? And the solution to Europe is not have one big European government,

Exactly. So the solution must be some form of decentralization. But the way to do that, they thought, was to have one big centralized government that sort of manages the decentralization. And then, of course, there were all these laws that were implemented. And it was also during the time of the Cold War. So they had the Suppression of Communism Act implemented.