Esther Perel

Or is this just so because that many people think like it? And I think it's the combination of those things. I act very fearlessly, but I am not. But I act fearlessly.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never saw it like that. But yeah, potentially.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never saw it like that. But yeah, potentially.

I think of myself as counterphobic. Do you know that term?

I think of myself as counterphobic. Do you know that term?

So you can be phobic, you can be fearful. And counterphobic is when you actually do the things that frighten you the most.

So you can be phobic, you can be fearful. And counterphobic is when you actually do the things that frighten you the most.

Yes, of course.

Yes, of course.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you always want to keep judgment. You have a healthy dose of skepticism. You don't believe what everybody tells you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you always want to keep judgment. You have a healthy dose of skepticism. You don't believe what everybody tells you.

This is, you don't always know. I mean, you have a sense, you look around, you ask other people for a reality check. When I am very worried about things, I ask for a reality check. I also know that in my stomach lives a real long history of fear and that I can have very strong reactions there. you know, to situations. But I also know that the legacy of this precedes me.

This is, you don't always know. I mean, you have a sense, you look around, you ask other people for a reality check. When I am very worried about things, I ask for a reality check. I also know that in my stomach lives a real long history of fear and that I can have very strong reactions there. you know, to situations. But I also know that the legacy of this precedes me.

And then what do I do with it is a different thing. But I think when do you know if your fear is valid? It's a fear. So what helps you with fears is grounding yourself in reality. How do you trust reality? Generally, it helps to have other people around you to help you. You know, is what I'm seeing what you're seeing too? I mean, it's a check. And the check is not always done alone.

And then what do I do with it is a different thing. But I think when do you know if your fear is valid? It's a fear. So what helps you with fears is grounding yourself in reality. How do you trust reality? Generally, it helps to have other people around you to help you. You know, is what I'm seeing what you're seeing too? I mean, it's a check. And the check is not always done alone.

You're not always the best person to actually know. Or at least for yourself, you can be perfectly perceptive for others. But for yourself, you don't necessarily know because you sense a lot of things.

You're not always the best person to actually know. Or at least for yourself, you can be perfectly perceptive for others. But for yourself, you don't necessarily know because you sense a lot of things.

What is that?

What is that?

Yeah. Soccer or football?