Esther Perel

And I was a little bit awkward trying to work out, could I get away with another night away from the kids?

And then it was a bit awkward.

Then it was fine.

My friend called me a few days later.

My friend had been cheated on in the past.

And he just said to me, are you having an affair?

And I said, I beg your pardon.

And he said, are you having an affair?

Just when you, when Penny asked where you're staying the other night, you, you were really awkward.

And I said, oh, no, no.

I just wanted to get an extra night's sleep.

I was trying to work out, could I get away with it before I answered where I was going?

And it was a really good example to me of how trust, when trust is broken in a relationship, it can affect the person outside of their intimate relationship, um, as well.

No, she didn't at all.

It's just even just talking to her, it's such a privilege to have that trust.

Like I've never, never not had that with Penny ever.

And I've never realized what an incredible privilege that is and what a wonderful thing that is in a relationship.

It's never from day one been.

I didn't at the time, no.

That they'd been hurt.