Esther Walker

Stuff to do with Victoria refused to help Nicola with her displaced dog charity, I think, after the LA wildfires.

It kind of went on and on and on.

It was sort of six pages of it.

But just personally, what I think is interesting is how as a family, because yes, they're a brand and they're celebrities and people think of celebrities as sort of not really real people.

but how as a family they got here, they got to this place.

Because...

You know, mothers and their sons, I've got a son, he's 12.

And the relationship with a mother and her son is really very particular.

And I think it's, you know, I love my daughter, but my son is, it's a slightly different relationship.

And the idea that he would kind of go on Instagram at age 26 and say, my mom did this, she did that, she did, you know.

Sons don't tend to do that with their mothers.

Daughters, yeah, they do do that.

But sons don't tend to get that personal.

So there's all sorts of speculation as to what's going on.

And I personally, I think what we're seeing here is a very similar situation to the Princes of Wales, formerly known as Kate Middleton.

and Meghan Markle, which is just a good old-fashioned culture clash.

And this isn't just that the Peltzers are American and the Beckhams are British.

It's more, it's different.

It's different levels of rich.

The Beckhams are rich.