Eve Rodsky

And the conversations that really allow people, if you're afraid to bring these things up, which is very normal, hence our Facebook woman,

The way I like to say it is the best time to bring things up is on anniversary, on a birthday, where you just say, for my birthday this year, I really want to play with these cards.

And what I mean by playing with the Fair Play cards, and you don't have to order them.

We have a whole website in the show notes we can link to.

We're a nonprofit.

We have...

an institute where we give out all of our resources for free.

You know how the podcast should be.

Yes, yes.

And what we love to say is like, if you're playing with the cards, the actual deck, or you're using a spreadsheet version of them.

And nothing I want for my birthday more.

Right, is sit down with me and let's start talking about what I call in the book, the minimum standard of care.

So typically why conversations around fair play don't work is

is because they will start with, I'm going to give you our daughter's first birthday party and you own it.

So that is an ownership conversation and you can talk through the conception of what that means, the planning, what the execution of that party could be.

Is it just pizza and cake?

Is it

A blowout because it's a party for you because that's how I felt.

My first birthday parties were blowouts.

Full open bar, you know, 100 people because I was celebrating the hardest year of parenting, which to me is the first year.