Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here · 11 Sep 2026 podcast

What is big, ugly, and has united Republicans and Democrats at a time when it has felt like nothing else could? voice-verified

AI data centers. voice-verified

Last August, a heat map news poll found that about four in 10 voters would oppose a data center being built where they live. voice-verified

By May of this year, opposition grew to seven in 10. voice-verified

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, a Republican, of course, has proposed a new citizens bill of voice-verified

Senator Bernie Sanders called for a national data voice-verified

local or statewide moratorium proposals across the country. voice-verified

And here in New York, Governor Kathy Hochul, not usually thought of as a hardcore populist, just imposed a one-year moratorium on data center construction. voice-verified

So I wanted to get into the fight over data centers. voice-verified

How much of this is really about water or electricity or aesthetics? voice-verified

And how much is about AI itself and the companies that are behind it? voice-verified

My guest today is Jasmine Sun. voice-verified

Jasmine has been doing excellent coverage of both the culture inside the AI companies, unusual culture, and the anger that is building against them in the rest of the country. voice-verified

I highly recommend following her sub stack. voice-verified

But right now, she just finished a reporting trip in the Midwest, talking to the people organizing against these data centers. voice-verified

And I wanted to hear what she learned. voice-verified

Jasmine Sun, welcome to the show. voice-verified

So you just got back from a reporting trip in Wisconsin and Michigan covering the fight over data centers. voice-verified

Let's just start with what you see when you're near a data center. voice-verified

What does it look like? voice-verified

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