Ezra Klein
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You see it on the New York subways.
You see it around you.
And things feel out of control.
And people don't like.
What they want from their leaders is to seem to be in control of events.
Donald Trump in his immigration policy has become the bringer of disorder.
When ICE and the CBP and the National Guard move into these cities, it brings disorder.
It leads to Americans being shot dead in the streets by their government.
There's no more fundamental form of disorder than that.
But you go to D.C.
when the National Guard is there.
You go to Los Angeles when the National Guard is there.
That doesn't feel like safety and order.
It feels like being occupied, and people don't like it, and they react against it.
I mean, the Minnesota reaction was incredible.
and brave and heroic.
But one reason Trump is failing is not just because people think his immigration policy is cruel, though they do, but at its core, what they were asking for was things feel out of control.
We don't want them to feel this way.
And Trump made things out of control in a different way.