Ezra Klein

It's, you know, going back into Christian nationalism.

It is all making this argument that modernity has taken a wrong turn.

It has taken a wrong turn in all of this equality among men and women, among people of different races and ethnic backgrounds, among the idea that people in different countries have equal worth.

A lot of it is framed as like a debate about

gender roles or sexual facts, but a huge amount of it is just about the past versus the present and whether or not our modern values are a betrayal of our baser and more fundamental instincts.

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We've been talking here about various essays and books written by the men of this, but one of, I think, the most influential essays in the space that is also framed as more of an actionable set of policy ideas is by Helen Andrews in her essay, The Great Feminization.

So who's Helen Andrews and what was the argument of that piece?

I found that essay so strange and maddening.

And she was on Ross's show, which is an episode worth watching, debating that.

Well, there's just this reality that the essay, I think, avoids confronting in any way.

So her basic argument, among other things, is cancellation is an explicitly female way of meeting out punishment.

Cancellation is a feminine punishment, whereas getting punched in the face is a male punishment.