Ezra Klein

Yeah.

So has belief come easy to you?

Was it always there for you, or did you have a period as a college atheist reading Christians?

I've heard you talk in different clips and interviews about the difference between a living religion and a dead religion.

Is this what you're talking about when you describe that, this difference between a religion that has been absorbed into structures of power that now is itself a structure of power versus one that is still challenging the ways of this world?

Yes.

How do you think about the competing claims of different religions?

Do you believe Christianity to be more true than other religions?

Do you believe there to be exclusivity in these beliefs, that they're incompatible with each other?

When does prayer feel real to you and when does it feel false?

I've been thinking about prayer in my own life recently, and I've been reading this book by Abraham Joshua Heschel on prayer.

And he writes, And I like that a lot.

I've been trying to think about when does prayer feel real and when does it feel false, and understanding it as a kind of...

Admission of gratitude and wonder has been a little bit closer to something that I could touch.

So prayer is an act, and it seems to me that the way you have described your faith to me, your faith is a faith of acts, right?

That the question of whether or not you are living in religion is not about what you believe, but about what you do.

So I listened to you when you did your Joe Rogan appearance, and you offered there a very, very progressive form of Christianity, right?

You're not just emphasizing in your politics different aspects of your faith, but you're very much challenging

quite widespread interpretations of it.

How do you understand that?