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Ezra Klein

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The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

Audio and strategy by Christina Simulowski and Shannon Busta.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

The director of New York Times Pending Audio is Annie Rose Drosser.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

When's the beeper going to go off?

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

So the experiment was there's a psychologist at University of Nevada, Las Vegas, named Russell Hurlburt.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And he's been sampling inner experience, as he calls it, for 50 years.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And the way he does it is he equips you with a beeper.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You wear this thing in your ear.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

It emits a very sharp beep.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You know exactly what it was and when it was.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

There's no, like, reaching for your phone or any doubt about what you're dealing with.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And then you're supposed to write down what you were thinking at that very moment.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And then you collect a day's worth of beeps, which could be five or six beeps.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And...

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You know, it's got various kind of observer effect problems.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You wonder, you know, God, if the beeper went off now, what would I have to say?

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Oh, that would really be embarrassing.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

So there is this self-consciousness, but you forget about it over the course of the day.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Suddenly you get a beep and you write it down.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And, you know, I was struck by how banal my beeps were.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I mean, I would be like the one I describe in the book is I'm waiting online at a bakery and I'm deciding, should I buy a roll or use the heel of bread I have at home to make a sandwich for lunch?