Ezra Klein

It is the ability to insist on your allegiance to such a radical religion and then treat other human beings with such genuinely to me unmitigated cruelty that I actually find hard at a soul level to reconcile.

Let me try to get at maybe the appeal of some of this form of

Christianized politics.

Society alters very fast.

What it looks like today versus what it looked like when I was growing up, before I had a personal computer to say nothing of the internet.

And one thing I see people looking for in religion and in religious politics, I see it particularly on the right with a re-embrace of Catholicism and even Greek Orthodoxy, is people want something to hold onto when everything around them feels like it is changing.

And what I see you offering to some degree is a religion and a set of answers that are still changing.

After you were on Joe Rogan, the conservative Christian commentator Allie Beth Stuckey published a long rebuttal of your arguments and an argument against progressive Christianity in general.

And I want to play you a clip from it.

Your campaign slogan is, it's time to start flipping tables.

Yeah.

Let me ask you then a question about a term you use a lot that feels connected to this to me, which is the rage economy.

What is, to you, the rage economy?

Well, the thing you had said a minute ago about the money changers that made me want to jump to this question of the rage economy is it is actually quite intimate.

And I think sacred would be going probably too far, but to go to a place searching for connection, to go to a place searching to be understood, which I think at its core,

is what social media was originally offering us.

To go there and say, this is where your family is, this is where your friends are, this is where you can find people like you.

And for many of us, it was that for a time.

And it is not that now.

I thought it was amazing in the FTC versus Meta case.