Ezra Klein

Yeah, I think that's right.

I haven't really thought about that that much.

One of my takeaways is that we have to be kind of pluralists of consciousness, that there are many different kinds and that psychedelic consciousness should be counted as one of them or the mystical forms of consciousness that James talks about.

And then there's everyday consciousness and spotlight consciousness.

And that, so I think we all have a toolkit to some extent.

And we experience, I mean, the kind of consciousness you experience as a meditator is very different than the kind you do at work, right?

Or when writing.

I mean, writing is a great example.

That's a very peculiar form of consciousness.

Yeah.

I think that's my biggest discovery as someone who lives in his head most of the time, how important having a body is to being conscious.

Yeah.

You know, we identify with our heads more than our bodies, right?

Maybe because our eyes are there.

I don't know.

But consciousness probably arises with feelings first.

It starts with things like hunger and itchiness.

And as it gets filtered into the cortex, becomes...

the kind of complicated thinking that we pride ourselves on.

I think that feelings are based in the body finally.