Ezra Klein

I am not going to acknowledge a story I have not looked into myself because I'm not sure I trust the account of it. Elon and Doge are destructive. I don't think it's crazy. Can I say something? I don't think it's crazy to get the money after 30 days, but it depends on whether or not the process was good. Hold on. I want to stop before you guys move around to a bunch of random pieces.

I am not going to acknowledge a story I have not looked into myself because I'm not sure I trust the account of it. Elon and Doge are destructive. I don't think it's crazy. Can I say something? I don't think it's crazy to get the money after 30 days, but it depends on whether or not the process was good. Hold on. I want to stop before you guys move around to a bunch of random pieces.

I want to stay on abundance. The thing that I want to stay on with abundance for a minute here is that the thing that I think would be useful to do is actually build legislation to make these processes work more quickly with more discretion from decision makers and then oversight after the fact. rather than heavy process before the fact.

I want to stay on abundance. The thing that I want to stay on with abundance for a minute here is that the thing that I think would be useful to do is actually build legislation to make these processes work more quickly with more discretion from decision makers and then oversight after the fact. rather than heavy process before the fact.

I was talking to somebody highly involved in the rural broadband programs under Biden, and one of the things they were saying to me was that there is this entire edifice, as he put it, of policy that is here to make sure I do nothing wrong.

I was talking to somebody highly involved in the rural broadband programs under Biden, and one of the things they were saying to me was that there is this entire edifice, as he put it, of policy that is here to make sure I do nothing wrong.

What would be better, and I think this is right, is to allow me to act more and then look afterwards to see if I did something wrong and then hold me accountable for it. I think too much of our regulation is precautionary as opposed to being able to let people move quickly and make decisions in the real world and then go back and see how they worked out.

What would be better, and I think this is right, is to allow me to act more and then look afterwards to see if I did something wrong and then hold me accountable for it. I think too much of our regulation is precautionary as opposed to being able to let people move quickly and make decisions in the real world and then go back and see how they worked out.

You keep saying this is my view, but it's not my view.

You keep saying this is my view, but it's not my view.

Your response, Ezra, as we wrap here? I know you have to go. Getting... dumb things done quickly is not a good idea.

Your response, Ezra, as we wrap here? I know you have to go. Getting... dumb things done quickly is not a good idea.

You're asking me about what Trump and Musk are doing right now. We started here on the tariffs. What you're watching with Trump is using expanded tariff authorities to do things that have a bad process behind them and will have a bad set of outcomes. So look, I've asked you many, many times here.

You're asking me about what Trump and Musk are doing right now. We started here on the tariffs. What you're watching with Trump is using expanded tariff authorities to do things that have a bad process behind them and will have a bad set of outcomes. So look, I've asked you many, many times here.

I don't really feel like I got the set of metrics I was looking for, but we will maybe talk again in two or three years and we can decide together. Was this genius work by the disruptors or was this a really, really dumb approach to economic policy?

I don't really feel like I got the set of metrics I was looking for, but we will maybe talk again in two or three years and we can decide together. Was this genius work by the disruptors or was this a really, really dumb approach to economic policy?

This is amazing to me. You really think saying to you in two years, what are three or four metrics that would tell us what you gave me doesn't fit the policy? I mean, look, we don't need to do this whole thing again. But what you gave me doesn't fit the policy. It's just reindustrialization.

This is amazing to me. You really think saying to you in two years, what are three or four metrics that would tell us what you gave me doesn't fit the policy? I mean, look, we don't need to do this whole thing again. But what you gave me doesn't fit the policy. It's just reindustrialization.

Because the other thing that I, the part of you, the part of it that I did not hear was, okay, where is the economy, right? There's got to be some cost you don't want to pay. So what metric would you want? I'd like to see like, okay, GDP growth has been X.

Because the other thing that I, the part of you, the part of it that I did not hear was, okay, where is the economy, right? There's got to be some cost you don't want to pay. So what metric would you want? I'd like to see like, okay, GDP growth has been X.