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Ezra Klein

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The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

One thing that worries me is the way in which this might, maybe already has been, widen the inequality between parents who can pay for private schools and parents who can't. And what I mean by that is that private schools can just adapt more quickly. They are not dealing with, they don't have to go through legislatures and have the boards and they're just a little bit more independent.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

One thing that worries me is the way in which this might, maybe already has been, widen the inequality between parents who can pay for private schools and parents who can't. And what I mean by that is that private schools can just adapt more quickly. They are not dealing with, they don't have to go through legislatures and have the boards and they're just a little bit more independent.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

They can take the screens out, they can put them in, they can limit what comes in. Whereas the public school systems tend to be somewhat more slow moving. I just knew living out in the Bay Area, a lot of tech people who are paying money to send their kids to private schools that had banned the products they made starting many years ago.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

They can take the screens out, they can put them in, they can limit what comes in. Whereas the public school systems tend to be somewhat more slow moving. I just knew living out in the Bay Area, a lot of tech people who are paying money to send their kids to private schools that had banned the products they made starting many years ago.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And the rest of everybody were sending them to public schools that had not done that. And when things are very, very fast-moving, being able to be fast-moving is really important. So somebody who cares a lot about public education, what should the orientation of the public schools be? How do they sort of not seem to parents who think there's something that their kids should be getting out of this?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And the rest of everybody were sending them to public schools that had not done that. And when things are very, very fast-moving, being able to be fast-moving is really important. So somebody who cares a lot about public education, what should the orientation of the public schools be? How do they sort of not seem to parents who think there's something that their kids should be getting out of this?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

Don't their kids need to know how to use AI? So they're going to need to attract parents on that level, but also... How do they not end up flat-footed if this is turning out to be a disaster?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

Don't their kids need to know how to use AI? So they're going to need to attract parents on that level, but also... How do they not end up flat-footed if this is turning out to be a disaster?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

Let me try to sharpen the FOMO argument or the argument that will be used to give people FOMO. The argument goes something like this. If AI is a very potent technology that's going to be integrated into virtually everything in the future, not literally everything, but quite a lot, then not just your literacy, but your competency in it becomes paramount. You're not going to be replaced by an AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

Let me try to sharpen the FOMO argument or the argument that will be used to give people FOMO. The argument goes something like this. If AI is a very potent technology that's going to be integrated into virtually everything in the future, not literally everything, but quite a lot, then not just your literacy, but your competency in it becomes paramount. You're not going to be replaced by an AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

You're going to be replaced by a person who knows how to use AI. And so what you need to learn is to use the AI. You need to learn how to manage it, how to prompt it, a sense of what it can and can't do. And there's no way to do that other than relentless familiarity and experimentation and exposure.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

You're going to be replaced by a person who knows how to use AI. And so what you need to learn is to use the AI. You need to learn how to manage it, how to prompt it, a sense of what it can and can't do. And there's no way to do that other than relentless familiarity and experimentation and exposure.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And so a kid who goes to some Luddite school, or when they're young, the toys are made out of wood. And when they're older, the books are all printed on paper. And there's not a Gen AI in sight. Is going to lose out. And it will be like having not taught them mathematics. Right. Or having not taught them how to drive or something of that or how to type. Right. How do you take that argument?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And so a kid who goes to some Luddite school, or when they're young, the toys are made out of wood. And when they're older, the books are all printed on paper. And there's not a Gen AI in sight. Is going to lose out. And it will be like having not taught them mathematics. Right. Or having not taught them how to drive or something of that or how to type. Right. How do you take that argument?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

I guess then there, to go back to your equity point, there's the argument from the opposite direction in equity, which is that it is the kids with the least access to all kinds of

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

I guess then there, to go back to your equity point, there's the argument from the opposite direction in equity, which is that it is the kids with the least access to all kinds of

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

enrichment materials to tutors i mean we know what rich kids in urban centers get and then what you're getting i mean you know in parts of america that are rural and don't yet have broadband or don't have wide access to broadband to say nothing of you know a kid in nigeria in rural nigeria that that is where at least a well-structured Gen-AI tutor might be able to make a difference really fast.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

enrichment materials to tutors i mean we know what rich kids in urban centers get and then what you're getting i mean you know in parts of america that are rural and don't yet have broadband or don't have wide access to broadband to say nothing of you know a kid in nigeria in rural nigeria that that is where at least a well-structured Gen-AI tutor might be able to make a difference really fast.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

You've talked a bit about a study in Nigeria that I never quite know how seriously to take these studies yet, but why don't you say what it did and what it found?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

You've talked a bit about a study in Nigeria that I never quite know how seriously to take these studies yet, but why don't you say what it did and what it found?