Ezra Klein

Yeah, we'll get to that. And when I began to, and I was thinking about clean energy, where your, I mean, the goals that you have set for clean energy in this state are remarkable. And in order to achieve them here or nationally, because the Inflation Reduction Act is passing around this time too, that I was thinking about a lot of this, we have to build faster than we have ever built.

Yeah, we'll get to that. And when I began to, and I was thinking about clean energy, where your, I mean, the goals that you have set for clean energy in this state are remarkable. And in order to achieve them here or nationally, because the Inflation Reduction Act is passing around this time too, that I was thinking about a lot of this, we have to build faster than we have ever built.

and the laws don't really permit that. And so the thing that I began thinking a lot about was that there is something liberalism is good at and knows how to look for, which is where can we subsidize something that people need? But there's something liberalism is bad at because it doesn't know how to look for it, which is how do we create more?

and the laws don't really permit that. And so the thing that I began thinking a lot about was that there is something liberalism is good at and knows how to look for, which is where can we subsidize something that people need? But there's something liberalism is bad at because it doesn't know how to look for it, which is how do we create more?

and the laws don't really permit that. And so the thing that I began thinking a lot about was that there is something liberalism is good at and knows how to look for, which is where can we subsidize something that people need? But there's something liberalism is bad at because it doesn't know how to look for it, which is how do we create more?

How do we make it possible to build more of things people need? And not only are we not good at pursuing that, we don't even realize how often we are getting in the way of it, how often we are the problem.

How do we make it possible to build more of things people need? And not only are we not good at pursuing that, we don't even realize how often we are getting in the way of it, how often we are the problem.

How do we make it possible to build more of things people need? And not only are we not good at pursuing that, we don't even realize how often we are getting in the way of it, how often we are the problem.

There is, I think, something bracing as a liberal about asking this question of why in the places where people who agree with me govern, you and I don't think have that different politics, aren't the outcomes what I want to see? Why can't I go say to the Texans or the Floridians, no, no, no, no. You just have to do our policies from California. And that's the thing I'm grappling with here.

There is, I think, something bracing as a liberal about asking this question of why in the places where people who agree with me govern, you and I don't think have that different politics, aren't the outcomes what I want to see? Why can't I go say to the Texans or the Floridians, no, no, no, no. You just have to do our policies from California. And that's the thing I'm grappling with here.

There is, I think, something bracing as a liberal about asking this question of why in the places where people who agree with me govern, you and I don't think have that different politics, aren't the outcomes what I want to see? Why can't I go say to the Texans or the Floridians, no, no, no, no. You just have to do our policies from California. And that's the thing I'm grappling with here.

Let me flip this because to shadow box around the fact that you know more about California governance than I ever will in a thousand years of doing this would be ridiculous. Why is it easier to build homes in Texas and California?

Let me flip this because to shadow box around the fact that you know more about California governance than I ever will in a thousand years of doing this would be ridiculous. Why is it easier to build homes in Texas and California?

Let me flip this because to shadow box around the fact that you know more about California governance than I ever will in a thousand years of doing this would be ridiculous. Why is it easier to build homes in Texas and California?

The thing I'm getting at here, which I really would like your, the thing you just said, right, about localism, it's so important. And like, this is so much the conversation I'd love for us to have here because the texture that you have been grappling with of why do things that you want to have happen not happen is I think a really interesting thing to add to it.

The thing I'm getting at here, which I really would like your, the thing you just said, right, about localism, it's so important. And like, this is so much the conversation I'd love for us to have here because the texture that you have been grappling with of why do things that you want to have happen not happen is I think a really interesting thing to add to it.

The thing I'm getting at here, which I really would like your, the thing you just said, right, about localism, it's so important. And like, this is so much the conversation I'd love for us to have here because the texture that you have been grappling with of why do things that you want to have happen not happen is I think a really interesting thing to add to it.

But when you're saying, well, you know, is this really a problem for liberals? It's easier to build in Texas and Florida than not just in California, but in California or New York. The cost of living crisis is worse in blue states. And a little bit of that is blue states are a place a lot of people want to live.

But when you're saying, well, you know, is this really a problem for liberals? It's easier to build in Texas and Florida than not just in California, but in California or New York. The cost of living crisis is worse in blue states. And a little bit of that is blue states are a place a lot of people want to live.

But when you're saying, well, you know, is this really a problem for liberals? It's easier to build in Texas and Florida than not just in California, but in California or New York. The cost of living crisis is worse in blue states. And a little bit of that is blue states are a place a lot of people want to live.