Ezra Klein

Look, I'm all for vision. My upset, the point of this book, is that I want the things to happen. I mean, we can talk about high-speed rail. We must talk about high-speed rail. But before we get there for a second, I mean, I do get the question around this book because it is very critical of how liberals have governed. Well, then why aren't you just a Republican, right?

Look, I'm all for vision. My upset, the point of this book, is that I want the things to happen. I mean, we can talk about high-speed rail. We must talk about high-speed rail. But before we get there for a second, I mean, I do get the question around this book because it is very critical of how liberals have governed. Well, then why aren't you just a Republican, right?

Look, I'm all for vision. My upset, the point of this book, is that I want the things to happen. I mean, we can talk about high-speed rail. We must talk about high-speed rail. But before we get there for a second, I mean, I do get the question around this book because it is very critical of how liberals have governed. Well, then why aren't you just a Republican, right?

If Texas is so good at housing. And the thing that I keep telling people is you've really confused means and ends here. Another thing that keeps coming up is like, you want deregulation. Isn't that a Republican thing? Well, not if I'm deregulating the government itself so it can deliver on the things you want. What's supposed to matter in politics

If Texas is so good at housing. And the thing that I keep telling people is you've really confused means and ends here. Another thing that keeps coming up is like, you want deregulation. Isn't that a Republican thing? Well, not if I'm deregulating the government itself so it can deliver on the things you want. What's supposed to matter in politics

If Texas is so good at housing. And the thing that I keep telling people is you've really confused means and ends here. Another thing that keeps coming up is like, you want deregulation. Isn't that a Republican thing? Well, not if I'm deregulating the government itself so it can deliver on the things you want. What's supposed to matter in politics

is not the means it's the ends right and what i sort of want what i'm trying to to push here is for liberals to get a little bit more means agnostic and more like ends obsessed there you go so the thing that i the place where i probably differ a little bit in in what you just said a second ago is that i don't want to give anybody credit for a vision that didn't happen

is not the means it's the ends right and what i sort of want what i'm trying to to push here is for liberals to get a little bit more means agnostic and more like ends obsessed there you go so the thing that i the place where i probably differ a little bit in in what you just said a second ago is that i don't want to give anybody credit for a vision that didn't happen

is not the means it's the ends right and what i sort of want what i'm trying to to push here is for liberals to get a little bit more means agnostic and more like ends obsessed there you go so the thing that i the place where i probably differ a little bit in in what you just said a second ago is that i don't want to give anybody credit for a vision that didn't happen

High-speed rail has, you have a great quote to me on this. I use it in the book. High-speed rail has undermined the public's faith in what can get done. It undermines the next high-speed rail, right? And the thing that I wanna see happen is a kind of reckoning inside the governing, I would call it a culture. It's not just laws.

High-speed rail has, you have a great quote to me on this. I use it in the book. High-speed rail has undermined the public's faith in what can get done. It undermines the next high-speed rail, right? And the thing that I wanna see happen is a kind of reckoning inside the governing, I would call it a culture. It's not just laws.

High-speed rail has, you have a great quote to me on this. I use it in the book. High-speed rail has undermined the public's faith in what can get done. It undermines the next high-speed rail, right? And the thing that I wanna see happen is a kind of reckoning inside the governing, I would call it a culture. It's not just laws.

It's not just regulations, although it is all those things, but it is a culture of what happens when the Democrats who are setting this stuff up get in the room together and people start raising their hands and saying, what about this? And what about that? And how about the other thing? And instead of hear a no, everybody gets kind of a little bit.

It's not just regulations, although it is all those things, but it is a culture of what happens when the Democrats who are setting this stuff up get in the room together and people start raising their hands and saying, what about this? And what about that? And how about the other thing? And instead of hear a no, everybody gets kind of a little bit.

It's not just regulations, although it is all those things, but it is a culture of what happens when the Democrats who are setting this stuff up get in the room together and people start raising their hands and saying, what about this? And what about that? And how about the other thing? And instead of hear a no, everybody gets kind of a little bit.

And it's not the only thing going on, but there is something wrong in a culture that so often fails to deliver what it promises. I mean, not just high speed rail, the big dig, the Second Avenue subway, right? These, you know, parts of them got done in the Second Avenue piece or the big dig eventually got done. But but too much, too expensive. You can't do enough if you're doing that.

And it's not the only thing going on, but there is something wrong in a culture that so often fails to deliver what it promises. I mean, not just high speed rail, the big dig, the Second Avenue subway, right? These, you know, parts of them got done in the Second Avenue piece or the big dig eventually got done. But but too much, too expensive. You can't do enough if you're doing that.

And it's not the only thing going on, but there is something wrong in a culture that so often fails to deliver what it promises. I mean, not just high speed rail, the big dig, the Second Avenue subway, right? These, you know, parts of them got done in the Second Avenue piece or the big dig eventually got done. But but too much, too expensive. You can't do enough if you're doing that.

And it's not inevitable. Europe builds trains better than we do. They just do. And they have governments, I checked, and they have unions more than we do. So it's not just that- They have less lawyers than you point that out in the book. Well, that's an issue. I'd be very curious to hear. So this is a thing I think people don't know that I would love to hear your thoughts on that.

And it's not inevitable. Europe builds trains better than we do. They just do. And they have governments, I checked, and they have unions more than we do. So it's not just that- They have less lawyers than you point that out in the book. Well, that's an issue. I'd be very curious to hear. So this is a thing I think people don't know that I would love to hear your thoughts on that.