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Ezra Klein

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The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You can't automate things.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And in this case, he's talking about the fact that you might have two competing needs.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Let's say you're hungry and you're tired and you have to decide which to privilege.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And that takes decision-making.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And what consciousness does is open up this space to resolve uncertainty.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

So if everything was predictable in the world and you could be certain when this happens, that happens, you know, and you had a kind of neat algorithm to deal with contingencies,

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

You don't need it.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

But a lot of life presents us with uncertainty.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And that's when consciousness arises.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah, I think that's right.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I haven't really thought about that that much.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

One of my takeaways is that we have to be kind of pluralists of consciousness, that there are many different kinds and that psychedelic consciousness should be counted as one of them or the mystical forms of consciousness that James talks about.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And then there's everyday consciousness and spotlight consciousness.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And that, so I think we all have a toolkit to some extent.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

And we experience, I mean, the kind of consciousness you experience as a meditator is very different than the kind you do at work, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Or when writing.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I mean, writing is a great example.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

That's a very peculiar form of consciousness.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
Michael Pollan’s Journey to the Borderlands of Consciousness

I think that's my biggest discovery as someone who lives in his head most of the time, how important having a body is to being conscious.