Ezra Klein

And again, I think that connects to this back to the future theme that we keep coming back to, which is like, you can't just raise money and run ads.

If you want to be successful, you got to have something going on about how you grab people.

And he clearly has that.

I think you're totally right that he's a unicorn in that it's not connected to that kind of populist message in the same way.

He is, I think, a populist.

And I think he's very much framing himself as a sort of insurgent outside the status quo.

But he's not...

he's really not relying on any kind of us versus them framework.

I mean, he does a little bit of like the billionaires, but it's rhetorical flourishing.

It's not the core in the way Platner, and Platner is like, that is Platner's thing.

It's what comes out of his chest.

This guy's a former president of his college Democrats.

Yeah, exactly.

Like he is a different type.

He is a person who is a teach for America kid.

Yeah.

Right.

He's not a great person who has been failed by American institutions.

He is not a person who you feel harbors a great anger at the Democratic establishment.

You know, he's a state representative.