Ezra Klein

Yep.

And I think that's an interesting dimension of him.

But he also has a quality that Plattner does in a different way, which is that, well, I'm not saying he was cast in the sense that somebody came out and found him the way they came out and found Plattner.

He does look like what he is in the same way that Plattner looks like what he is.

I mean, a lot of people are oyster farmers or lobstermen.

But they don't... Like, you wouldn't see them on the street and think, well, you definitely spend all your time on the water.

And, like, you know, Plattner looks like a seaman.

Yes.

And Tallarico, like, you would cast him... As a pastor.

...to play the idealistic young pastor.

Yeah.

Like, rooting out corruption... Yes.

...in a complicated church.

Yes, exactly.

He just has the whole... You could put him in a scene and there will be blood.

And he... Right, exactly.

And he rises, you know, by...

running his social media strategy, which, you know, eventually gets him on Rogan.

And I think that he...

also reflects this yearning people that I think is really powerful right now is underplayed, which is not just for populism or radicalism or even inspiration, but in the Trump era for decency.