Ezra Klein

Totally.

And there's a yearning for public virtue, which I think is a sort of funny inversion of some of the politics of our, you know, our youth.

I'm starting to talk a lot about virtue on the show.

Yeah.

And I'm thinking about a lot about virtue.

I think that's partly the experience of Trump.

It's partly that I'm a middle-aged dad with three kids and I think a lot about moral instruction and particularly a moral instruction in a world in which like the most powerful and famous figure in the country is a moral degenerate.

The other thing I would say is there's these different, there's different kind of vibratory levels that

different coalitions play on.

And I do think that like the appeal for connection, brother and sisterhood, solidarity, unity, you know, that was the thing that Barack Obama was able to marshal.

And that's still deep in the progressive soul.

I think, I think it's deep in the American soul.

It's the, not what Donald Trump, Donald Trump is totally incapable of playing in that register and,

I think the Republican Party increasingly in his era is incapable of playing that register.

And the last thing I'll say, and I think this this applies to John Ossoff as well, where we're going next.

Oh, good.

In when you think about like what's the opposite of Trump, one typology of the opposite of Trump is a nice young man.

Like, what's the opposite of Trump?

He's like, a nice young man.

And Josh Talarico's a nice young man.