Ezra Klein

So, yeah, we could reorganize our lives in a way.

But the one thing we do know is how...

Our phones, our social media are bringing down that viewpoint, keeping us from looking up, keeping us from making associations because there's no time for associations.

You know, you're just scrolling and something else comes in and you're getting another little hit.

And so we've shrunken that space.

And it is a space of creativity.

And, you know, there's no reason we can't reclaim it, but we have a lot of trouble doing it because these algorithms are really sophisticated and they know how our minds work.

When are you most creative?

Walking, I would say.

That's where I walk a lot.

I walk in the Berkeley Hills.

And although even then, I have to say, half the time I fill my head, I have my AirPods on.

I'm listening to a novel or a podcast, listening to you when I could be.

Yeah.

No, it is important.

But anyway, and I have to remember to take out the AirPods and like listen to what's going on.

And we haven't talked about time in nature, but that's, I think, a very hygienic space for consciousness is being off of all media of all kinds.

Well, and there's a selection bias.

People know they can talk to me about their trips.

And so authoritative.