Ezra Klein

Because he was very good at this.

And the Asaf shot is always... It's always like this.

He doesn't seem like he's looking at a crowd.

Yeah.

No, you're right.

And I do think it's true that kind of visual branding is so interesting.

There's one other dimension of Asaf that I think is really worth mentioning in terms of 2028, which is that he's Jewish.

Yes.

And... And a genuine Israel critic.

See, this is... So, I think...

To go back to what we were saying about that Michigan race, there's no way of getting around the fractures in the party on Gaza, Israel, perceptions of anti-Semitism, perceptions of undue influence by the Israel lobby.

Like, the coalition contains both elements.

And someone's going to have to figure out how to thread that needle.

And if you were asking me what that person might look like, I would say...

The first Jewish nominee in history who is also a critic of Israel would be one recipe to thread a very difficult needle for the coalition.

Yeah, and the point here is that Asif has substance on this.

So he early on signed on to a Bernie Sanders letter that I think only had 19.

Yes, very early, like with a small group.

That was against sending more arms to Israel.

Yep.