Ezra Klein

And Asif used to be a documentarian who did documentaries on international corruption.

So there's a background here.

This guy actually knows how to create TV about corruption.

But there's something really interesting to me about, yeah, first the scarcity, the creating want, this who is John Asif, this building anticipation, plus this figuring out

Of a visual grammar.

That's distinct and wholly your own.

And looks like Obama.

Yes, it does look like Obama.

It looks like... It's also the hero shot.

It's always the hero shot, which was a constant... You remember there was an... You gotta be skinny for that to work.

I just want it for anyone else who's taking notes out there in production.

You gotta be pretty thin for that hero shot to look good.

There was a great... The hero shot being this sort of three quarters upwards angle.

Upwards, yeah.

And otherwise you get a lot of chin.

Yeah, you get a lot of chin.

And there was this great article on Obama.

Something like...

Obama accidentally stares too far into future.

That's so true.