Ezra Klein

I hope you're right. I've been, in general, very skeptical of how much literacy will do.

I hope you're right. I've been, in general, very skeptical of how much literacy will do.

I'm as phone literate as I think you can almost be. I've been writing about this for years. I'm functionally extremist on this issue. And still, the only way for me to modulate my own use to the point I would like to is to use a device— That hobbles my phone, the brick, every time I touch it to the RFID chip.

I'm as phone literate as I think you can almost be. I've been writing about this for years. I'm functionally extremist on this issue. And still, the only way for me to modulate my own use to the point I would like to is to use a device— That hobbles my phone, the brick, every time I touch it to the RFID chip.

And if I don't do that, all the literacy in the world, I've known John Haidt for many, many years. He's been on this show. I've read The Anxious Generation. It doesn't do me that much good because that's just not how the brain works. Any more than knowing that I shouldn't eat so many Oreos keeps me from eating them if they're on the table in front of me.

And if I don't do that, all the literacy in the world, I've known John Haidt for many, many years. He's been on this show. I've read The Anxious Generation. It doesn't do me that much good because that's just not how the brain works. Any more than knowing that I shouldn't eat so many Oreos keeps me from eating them if they're on the table in front of me.

I was just thinking about that. I think they are. But I also wouldn't overstate how well they even understand what it is they are doing. They don't fully understand the systems they're making now. Relentlessly, the kids are more capable and ingenious. than the eight or 40 or 100 developers on any given product.

I was just thinking about that. I think they are. But I also wouldn't overstate how well they even understand what it is they are doing. They don't fully understand the systems they're making now. Relentlessly, the kids are more capable and ingenious. than the eight or 40 or 100 developers on any given product.

When you're building something that has a small number of hundreds of people building it, and then it's used by 40,000 kids, I think our experience is that they are clever in ways typically that you are not. I do think that over time we can create things that are curbed. It's just that I'm not sure we even know exactly what we are targeting.

When you're building something that has a small number of hundreds of people building it, and then it's used by 40,000 kids, I think our experience is that they are clever in ways typically that you are not. I do think that over time we can create things that are curbed. It's just that I'm not sure we even know exactly what we are targeting.

So then I want to go back to where we began, which is, you know, you've got young kids now. They're going to be going into school in the age of Gen AI. How should you think about their schooling? So we can't really predict the shape of society in 15 or 20 years. I don't think that's a question we could Answer on the show. If we could, we should probably be investing, not podcasting.

So then I want to go back to where we began, which is, you know, you've got young kids now. They're going to be going into school in the age of Gen AI. How should you think about their schooling? So we can't really predict the shape of society in 15 or 20 years. I don't think that's a question we could Answer on the show. If we could, we should probably be investing, not podcasting.

But what we have in education now is constant markers. that are supposed to tell us as parents how well our kids' education is going. And that's basically grades and maybe to some degree counselor reports. And the idea is if they get good grades and they seem happy and well-adjusted, then at the end of that process, they'll go to a good college or go to a trade school and get a good job.

But what we have in education now is constant markers. that are supposed to tell us as parents how well our kids' education is going. And that's basically grades and maybe to some degree counselor reports. And the idea is if they get good grades and they seem happy and well-adjusted, then at the end of that process, they'll go to a good college or go to a trade school and get a good job.

And it's going to be a pretty straight line. All A's equal, good job. The future is foggier. What they will need to know is maybe a little foggier. What then should a parent be trying to watch in the meantime?

And it's going to be a pretty straight line. All A's equal, good job. The future is foggier. What they will need to know is maybe a little foggier. What then should a parent be trying to watch in the meantime?

How do you think about whether or not your kid's education is going well if you're a little suspicious that the grades designed for, and maybe even not that well designed for, the society we have had are not going to correlate all that well to the society we will have?

How do you think about whether or not your kid's education is going well if you're a little suspicious that the grades designed for, and maybe even not that well designed for, the society we have had are not going to correlate all that well to the society we will have?

I think that's a good place to end. Thank you for speaking and listening with me. Always our final question. What are three books you'd recommend to the audience?

I think that's a good place to end. Thank you for speaking and listening with me. Always our final question. What are three books you'd recommend to the audience?