Ezra Klein

or that he has to win over or whose family members he has to win over is present from the beginning.

And I think there's something really useful and powerful about that for just, again, how you train.

But if you look at polling, and if you practically now look at the prediction markets, polling Kamala Harris has a lead.

I think people are skeptical that lead will lead to primary dominance, but I guess we'll see if she runs.

But if you look at prediction markets, the lead is Gavin Newsom.

And we all knew Gavin Newsom wanted to run for president.

I would say six years ago.

Yeah.

I was pretty dismissive of how that was likely to go.

You know, handsome white guy with a bunch of scandals from California was like not the not what the Democratic Party seemed to be looking for.

Who he is in some ways has changed or actually in some ways maybe come closer to a core of him.

What do you think about the way Newsom has maneuvered himself?

into one, attentionally capable in a way he wasn't always, but two, into I think it is the fairly wide consensus right now that he is a Democratic frontrunner for 2028.

I think I have complicated feelings.

I mean, I think that there's some part of me that just thinks Governor of California is tough, a tough thing to do to win national elections.

To be the president.

Of course, New York real estate developer is also pretty tough, too.

So what do I know?

Yes, I think that I think the the choice he's made intentionally is one of the most interesting, which is he was always a charismatic guy, but he was not.

He has chosen omnipresence.