Ezra Klein

He's chosen to say yes to everything.

He's chosen to go everywhere.

He's chosen to host his own podcast.

He's chosen to host his own podcast.

He just had Ashley Sinclair on it.

He just had Ben Shapiro on not long ago.

He's doing things you would not expect.

Exactly.

And I think it has produced a comfort that is really, really useful in the world that we live in.

I think there's a question...

Of both what the Democratic primary electorate wants and what the general electorate wants in relation to Donald Trump.

And here's what I mean by this.

You were talking about like being a fighter.

And I think there's a little bit of.

Freddie Hampton said, you don't fight fire with fire, you fight fire with water.

And there's a little bit of a question between do you want to fight fire with fire or do you want to fight fire with water?

And the our fighter version, like our brawler, our Trump, essentially, which I think is appealing to some people in the Democratic electorate, is sort of the mode that some Democratic politicians have gone.

And in some almost sort of parodic ways that Newsom has gone by doing the whole like Trump shtick online.

Okay, but let me complicate this in one way because it's why I find Newsom really interesting.

Because he is doing more than that.