Ezra Klein

I agree.

Yes.

There are two things.

So one is the number of reps he's getting, places he's going.

I mean, you and I just saw him at the CAP Ideas Conference.

He's just gotten better.

Yeah.

He's gotten better faster than the other staff.

But the other thing, I think a really big problem Democrats have faced since Obama is about describing a kind of unity.

that we can find as a country, a way of living here together, despite our disagreements, despite our history, despite our differences.

And Bill Clinton did a lot in this register, right?

He, you know, Rhodes Scholar, but poor Arkansas boy, you know, New South.

Obama, I mean, the master of this register.

But because he was a master of this register,

He somewhat destroyed the ability of anybody else to use it because if he couldn't achieve it.

Right.

That's a good point.

If what the Obama era cashed out into was Donald Trump and the division and dissolution of like the shared moral and democratic framework we had.

then to speak like Obama did in 04, to speak like he did in 08, becomes naive.

Nobody's going to believe you, right?