Ezra Klein

And he does that, right?

You know, both sides.

And he's very, very careful to make this a critique of the system itself, of which Donald Trump is taking advantage of it, but it's not its originating cause.

Yeah.

And I think that's also part of, again, it does help

It helps to be getting your reps before the Georgia electorate.

Yeah.

You know, it's like comedians.

Politicians are like comedians.

You work the room.

You see where your laugh lines are.

You work different rooms.

You work larger and larger rooms.

And the room matters a lot.

And the feedback you get from the room, it matters a lot.

It helps to be in a context where the room that you're working is a Georgia elector.

I think this was true of Bernie Sanders in Vermont, where, you know, he only got to where he was after many failures, many electoral failures, many years in the electoral wilderness by figuring out how to talk to the median Vermont voter who was not a committed ideological social.

It's why Barack Obama was as good as he was, because he was a black politician who had to work white rooms.

Yeah.

You know, and he's talked about that, how much you do to win statewide in Illinois, to win in these rural areas where people were very skeptical of a person named Barack Hussein Obama in 2004.