Ezra Klein

It keeps you focused on something, but not in a way that's making progress usually.

It's a spiral maybe.

But also realizing you can take some control over your consciousness and that we need to do more to defend it.

And meditation is one great way.

And as challenging as it can be, you feel like...

Here's my mind.

I'm with my mind.

It might be painful.

It might not be.

But no one is telling me what to think.

You know, we spend so much time thinking the thoughts of other people and enduring the rants of other people and the obsessions of other people.

Meditation is, I think, a really interesting way to kind of put a fence around your consciousness.

You know, you put down your phone.

You still have a pad because you're just trying to get rid of those to-do things.

But when it's working really well, there's great pleasure in watching the show go by and the things I wasn't expecting to think about.

Suddenly, I'm in imagery and all this kind of stuff.

I do have an internal life, contrary to what that guy said.

Sure you do, Michael.

We spend a lot of time anesthetizing ourselves, and there's a kind of boredom that I think is generative that we don't experience anymore because we have all these amazing ways to fill that space.

But that space was productive in its unproductive way.