Ezra Klein

And we've given that up.

So that's a space of consciousness too that we could easily reclaim.

I think psychedelics are one way to take control of your consciousness.

I mean, that's probably not the right verb because there's so much that's uncontrolled, but it's all you.

And I think that's one of the reasons that there's so much interest in it right now.

You're blocking out a lot during a psychedelic experience as you go inside.

So those are the kind of things, you know, I think we need to think in terms of hygiene for this great gift we have.

What does hygiene mean here?

Hygiene towards what?

Well, keep it from being polluted.

Keep it clean.

Keep your consciousness from letting others dictate its contents, basically.

Well, they're very closely related.

I think attention is a subset of consciousness.

So attention is part of it.

Attachment is another part of it, though.

Attachment?

Yeah, emotional attachments.

That's a big part of consciousness, too.

And that's now having won our attention.