Ezra Klein

People want policies that will get us to that self-determination and sovereignty. But then, I mean, we saw this a bit during the Biden administration. If you begin to see the price of things at the grocery store go up, people get pissed real quick.

People want policies that will get us to that self-determination and sovereignty. But then, I mean, we saw this a bit during the Biden administration. If you begin to see the price of things at the grocery store go up, people get pissed real quick.

One thing that I think always is challenging this discussion is, is what people buy the signal for what they want? Or is what they will say in a deeper conversation the signal for what they want?

One thing that I think always is challenging this discussion is, is what people buy the signal for what they want? Or is what they will say in a deeper conversation the signal for what they want?

Do you think of these as economic policy arguments or arguments that are almost more moral and spiritual in nature?

Do you think of these as economic policy arguments or arguments that are almost more moral and spiritual in nature?

And when you think of the cities and you represent partially a city, like they're not going to work without trash pickup. You know, I'm not necessarily here to defend single cup yogurt servings.

And when you think of the cities and you represent partially a city, like they're not going to work without trash pickup. You know, I'm not necessarily here to defend single cup yogurt servings.

But some of this is a kind of marvel of modernity that does have remarkable benefits and has allowed us to live in different ways and ways that are look like I have this sort of distinction to sometimes make between green and gray environmentalism. And there's ways of living deeply in harmony with the world around you.

But some of this is a kind of marvel of modernity that does have remarkable benefits and has allowed us to live in different ways and ways that are look like I have this sort of distinction to sometimes make between green and gray environmentalism. And there's ways of living deeply in harmony with the world around you.

And then there's ways of living that are very unharmonious with the world around you aesthetically, but they're actually quite light footprint. Living in a pretty tall high rise is in many ways quite good for the environment because you just have a lot more economies of scale in the heating and a bunch of other things.

And then there's ways of living that are very unharmonious with the world around you aesthetically, but they're actually quite light footprint. Living in a pretty tall high rise is in many ways quite good for the environment because you just have a lot more economies of scale in the heating and a bunch of other things.

I very much take the point that you don't want trash service to move to a city. And I think that that's totally fair. But what do you think and how do you talk to your constituents who do?

I very much take the point that you don't want trash service to move to a city. And I think that that's totally fair. But what do you think and how do you talk to your constituents who do?

I think you're losing something profound. Something that you've been involved in recently is the revival of the Blue Dog Democrats. And I think for my younger audience who sort of doesn't remember the Blue Dogs of the 90s, that was sort of traditionally the more moderate Democratic coalition. And it may still be that now.

I think you're losing something profound. Something that you've been involved in recently is the revival of the Blue Dog Democrats. And I think for my younger audience who sort of doesn't remember the Blue Dogs of the 90s, that was sort of traditionally the more moderate Democratic coalition. And it may still be that now.

But the argument you all made, and I thought this was interesting, is that what you really want to bring back is localism. That politics has become too nationalized. Tell me a bit about that. I feel like this is actually pretty important to your politics, a sense that nationalization is maybe broken.

But the argument you all made, and I thought this was interesting, is that what you really want to bring back is localism. That politics has become too nationalized. Tell me a bit about that. I feel like this is actually pretty important to your politics, a sense that nationalization is maybe broken.

The way politics is supposed to work in one answer is going to be bringing back a localism that we've lost.

The way politics is supposed to work in one answer is going to be bringing back a localism that we've lost.