Ezra Klein

If you travel deep into the new right, what you find at the moment is a constant yearning for something very old, not just a time when America was great, but a time when men were great, when men were men.

You hear it in Kostin Vlad Alamaryu, who's better known as the Bronze Age pervert.

You hear it in his longing for the Bronze Age.

You hear it when the pastor Doug Wilson yearns for the time before the 19th Amendment.

The net effect of women's suffrage was not an advance in women's rights, but rather part of a push to replace covenanted entities like families with raw individualism.

You hear it in the increasingly constant idealization of 1950s America.

Why wouldn't you design a system consistent with nature?

What would that look like to you?

It would look like what we had before Betty Ferdinand wrote The Feminine Mystique, before lifestyle feminism dominated every institution in the West.

There's a time when all this could be dismissed as a fringe movement on the fever swamps of the internet.

But Bronze Age pervert is a favorite of young Trump staffers.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth invited Doug Wilson to preach at the Pentagon.

Tucker Carlson is, well, he's Tucker Carlson.

These are not all fringe figures, and it's not just them.

It's a much broader thing on the new right, which increasingly wants a return, is theorizing for how to create a return to very old ideas of how men should be.

to very old policies that centralize the power they wield and the way society is ordered.

Helen Lewis is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Difficult Women, A History of Feminism in 11 Fights and The Genius Myth.

She's just written a great cover story for The Atlantic mapping this world.

She calls it masculinism, talking to many of its key figures, trying to understand its core ideas.

So I want to have her on the show to talk about it.