Ezra Klein

Tell me about those detention centers, because that was a huge space of new funding in the OB-BBA.

How are they using detention differently and what do they seem to be envisioning for detention, you know, in a year or two?

We've been talking about places where the Trump administration is trying to dramatically expand the capacity of immigration enforcement.

More ICE agents, more Border Patrol agents, more detention centers.

One very odd thing about the OB-BBA is it capped the number of immigration judges at 800.

What was that and what does it reflect about how they're using the immigration courts?

You spent some time reporting on an immigration court in Virginia.

Tell me what you saw there.

Something I think people have heard about is this move towards third country removal, where somebody is making an asylum claim or they've come here and we are deporting them to Uganda or somewhere and saying, deal with it there.

What is that policy?

How is it being used?

Is it legal?

I've been thinking about something I heard Chris Ruffo, the right wing activist who's inspired many of the Trump administration's activities, say, and I want to play it for you.

I think that gets to what at least some of the underlying strategy is.

They don't, as much as they are expanding, they are not expanding at the rate or to the numbers and do not have the political support to go door to door and deport the numbers of people they seem to want to deport.

It does seem their strategy is to make it so miserable and frightening to be here that very large numbers of people leave.

Do you believe that?

So I want to, with all this in mind, get at what has been happening in Minneapolis.

What was the administration's justification for this operation?

Like letting them in?