Ezra Klein

So what is going on there?

OK, I'm sorry, but that's insane.

Just as like a 30,000 foot that we are bombing the country into rubble that as we speak right now, threatening to destroy their power plants and de-sanctioning their oil.

Like it really shows something here was unplanned for or is off.

Let's talk about energy as a weapon for a moment.

You and Megan O'Sullivan published late last year in Foreign Affairs a big piece called The Return of the Energy Weapon.

What's the energy weapon?

Didn't Stalin attribute the victory in World War II to cutting off Hitler's access to certain oil fields?

And in ways that made us back down quite quickly from the trade war that Donald Trump had begun with China.

You used a lot of passive voice in that answer.

You talked about risks to energy security, global risks to energy security.

You talked about the collapsing of the global and international order.

But we chose this, right?

This didn't happen to us out of nowhere.

The global order isn't collapsing out of nowhere.

I mean, we're not the only ones.

Russia certainly bears its share of responsibility.

China has had its violations.

But Donald Trump has been...

lighting the global international order on fire, deposing and capturing presidents of other countries, launched a war with Iran with no consultation functionally of anyone, except maybe Israel.