Ezra Klein

Did you feel like you came to an answer to that? What is the feel of and?

Did you feel like you came to an answer to that? What is the feel of and?

I'm struck how much you're talking about the feeling in a way of the word and. The way it connects things, the way it implies procession. I guess I'm interested in the feeling of the experience. I mean, so much of the book is about holding these two extremes of experience at the same time. The loss of your father, the finding of your partner, and that love.

I'm struck how much you're talking about the feeling in a way of the word and. The way it connects things, the way it implies procession. I guess I'm interested in the feeling of the experience. I mean, so much of the book is about holding these two extremes of experience at the same time. The loss of your father, the finding of your partner, and that love.

And I think that's been what I've been interested in. I feel, in my own attention, a desire to constantly be choosing a lane of sensation or feeling. I should feel badly about things right now. I should feel good about them. As if I'm running some calculation in my head that ends with where on the sentiment scale I'm supposed to net out. And that also, some part of me realizes that's wrong.

And I think that's been what I've been interested in. I feel, in my own attention, a desire to constantly be choosing a lane of sensation or feeling. I should feel badly about things right now. I should feel good about them. As if I'm running some calculation in my head that ends with where on the sentiment scale I'm supposed to net out. And that also, some part of me realizes that's wrong.

That what I'd like to be able to do is feel different things at the same time. I find that very hard to do. I'm curious if writing this book or going through that experience or reflecting on this the way you have has made that easier, made your sense of feeling more capacious.

That what I'd like to be able to do is feel different things at the same time. I find that very hard to do. I'm curious if writing this book or going through that experience or reflecting on this the way you have has made that easier, made your sense of feeling more capacious.

Well, then let's end on a point of word nerdery. I learned something from your book that I didn't know, which is that the English alphabet... used to end with the symbol for and. I was really surprised to learn that.

Well, then let's end on a point of word nerdery. I learned something from your book that I didn't know, which is that the English alphabet... used to end with the symbol for and. I was really surprised to learn that.

But why was it part of the alphabet? We don't spell words with the and sign.

But why was it part of the alphabet? We don't spell words with the and sign.

As a metaphor for what you're working with in your book and what a lot of us are working with in our lives, it struck me as quite moving.

As a metaphor for what you're working with in your book and what a lot of us are working with in our lives, it struck me as quite moving.

And always our final question. What are three books you'd recommend to the audience?

And always our final question. What are three books you'd recommend to the audience?

Katherine Schultz, thank you very much.

Katherine Schultz, thank you very much.

This episode of The Ezra Klein Show is produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Gelb, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show's production team also includes Marie Cassione, Roland Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobel, Kristen Lin, and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker.

This episode of The Ezra Klein Show is produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Gelb, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show's production team also includes Marie Cassione, Roland Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobel, Kristen Lin, and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker.