Ezra Klein
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And there was very good research on this coming out at the end of Biden.
And immigration was part of this.
There had been a flooding.
Partially, this was Abbott busing people around.
But there had been a flood of people coming into the country.
And those people went all around the country.
You see it on the New York subways.
You see it around you.
And things feel out of control.
And people don't like.
What they want from their leaders is to seem to be in control of events.
Donald Trump in his immigration policy has become the bringer of disorder.
When ICE and the CBP and the National Guard move into these cities, it brings disorder.
It leads to Americans being shot dead in the streets by their government.
There's no more fundamental form of disorder than that.
But you go to D.C.
when the National Guard is there.
You go to Los Angeles when the National Guard is there.
That doesn't feel like safety and order.