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Fareed Zakaria

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1398 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

as a hegemon has been very careful to try to have that longer-term, more enlightened view, again, with lots of mistakes and lots of hypocrisy.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But compared to other hegemons, it really has played that role.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And now it is trying to extract for short-term benefit.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And I emphasize this because it's actually terrible for the United States in the long run.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

We have benefited enormously from being at the center of this world.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But so we're getting these short-term gains at enormous long-term loss to our position, our status, our influence, our power.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Look, I think for a particular view of Israel, which has viewed Iran as this absolute existential threat, which is clearly Bibi Netanyahu's view, Iran is destroyed militarily.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

There's no question about it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I mean, remember Netanyahu in that opening video says, I've been dreaming about this for 40 years.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

He's always been obsessed with Iran, even before there was a credible nuclear issue.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

So for him and for people like that,

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Yes, you can make the case that a failed Iran, a crippled Iran, even if it descends into chaos the way that Syria did for 10 years, has its advantages.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

It takes a kind of adversary off the field.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But I would argue that Iran had been

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

contained in many significant ways, particularly after the Obama nuclear deal.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Remember, no enrichment, 98% of its enriched uranium had been taken out of the country.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, and the International Atomic Energy Agency all said that the Iranians were following the deal.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And you had the reality that you had the most intrusive inspections regime that you had ever had in the history of nuclear tech.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

So was it possible they could be cheating a little bit on the side?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

It's possible.