Fareed Zakaria

All these good things happened, but it points to the dilemma you're describing.

This is complicated.

It's messy.

You have to treat countries that are really not your equal like your equal.

You have to give them respect and defer to them sometimes.

Yet, it has worked miraculously well.

We're throwing that all away for this much older version of power and coercion, which doesn't work.

It's a weird thing.

There was this caricature, which is that everybody in America thought that if China kept doing what we were saying, China was going to become like America.

But what's really happening is America is becoming more like China.

We are becoming admiring of China's methods of running the economy.

Right, state-run capitalism.

Right, controlling the population, of buying mineral rights around the world.

It's like we are becoming them.

You know, it's something that's true in personal life as well, right?

Like real deep abiding trust takes decades to build.

It's a lot of hard work.

Rupturing trust is very easy because exactly as you say, because after this,

You know, every European country, every Canadian, the Australians, they always know, you know, the Americans could do this again.

So I kind of have to hedge.