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Fareed Zakaria

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1186 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The U.S.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

is viewed as on its own weird track.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Everyone has to deal with it because it's too important.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And that is a sign of a certain kind of decline.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And the other one is...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

this obsession to have enormous geopolitical control.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

One of the haunting parallels for me is to think about the British Empire in its last 30, 40 years.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

People forget, but after World War I, the British Empire expanded to its largest state ever, to its largest size ever.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

only 20 or 30 years before it collapsed.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And the reason was that the British elites got very engaged and enamored with the idea of controlling Iraq and controlling Afghanistan and controlling, you know, they would find these, there was this wonderful book called Africa and the Victorians by Robinson and Gallagher, in which they talk about how, why the British annexed Fashoda in the south of Sudan.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Well, because they thought you needed to control the Suez Canal to control the route to India.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Well, if you needed to control the Suez Canal, you needed to control Egypt.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But if you needed to control Egypt, you needed to control Upper Sudan.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But to control Upper Sudan, you needed to control Lower Sudan.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

So, boing, there you were, sending troops to Fashoda, which nobody anywhere in Britain would have any idea where it was and why were they doing that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Meanwhile...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

What they were neglecting was the reality that Germany was becoming much more productive.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

America was becoming much more productive.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And I look at what we're doing today.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I mean, you think about it, right?