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Fareed Zakaria

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1186 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

This is the third Middle Eastern war we have fought in 25 years.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I do worry that this imperial temptation

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

to have so much of the focus and the resources of the country placed in these faraway parts of the world, where it's not clear we're actually gaining much, we're expending enormous energy, and we're expending a lot of our moral capital, our political capital, our actual financial capital, that part is very similar to what happened to Britain.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And I don't know whether it's exhaustion or whether it's a kind of imperial arrogance or maybe a combination of the two,

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But that feels hauntingly reminiscent.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And it's actually mostly a vote against us because nobody actually wants Chinese leadership.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I think they don't know what it would mean.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The Chinese, for the most part, don't seem to want to offer it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Look at what has happened with this recent crisis.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

They got involved a little bit.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Mostly what they're involved in is trying to see that the currency settlements are made in Chinese currency.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The Chinese are a free rider.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

They want a free ride on the benefits of American hegemony while criticizing it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

They don't have an alternate conception.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

So what people are going to find is, unfortunately, a world without American power is going to be a less open, a less liberal, a less rule-based world.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But it's not going to magically reconstitute itself around a Chinese hegemon, because that is not China's conception of its world role.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

It's not going to be able to do it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

It does not have the trust

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

We still, for good reasons, have an enormous amount of trust because we built it over 80 years.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

You know, look, we have, I don't know, 55 treaty allies in the world.