Fareed Zakaria

To look at what's happening even in Germany, which for obvious historical reasons has a very strong moral urge to always see things from Israel's point of view, in Germany,

The young are being increasingly alienated by what they see and what they... So, you know, is that really good for Israel in the long run?

And for what?

It was already the most powerful country in the Middle East.

It was able to defend itself.

It was able to deter in a kind of short-term, narrow sense.

Yes, Bibi Netanyahu has found a way to push back against a lot of Israel's enemies.

And some of it, like Hezbollah was a really...

nasty organization doing bad things in terms of the way it was attacking Israel.

But you put it all together.

I mean, what Ben-Gurion said, Israel, you know, when it was founded, should be a light unto nations.

I think for most people in the world today, that is not the way they look at Israel.

And that is a huge loss.

And that is a huge moral loss because Israel had a moral claim when it was founded.

I think at heart, the Enlightenment project that the United States is the fullest expression of, the only country really founded as almost a political experiment of Enlightenment ideas,

that at the core of any value system had to be the dignity and life of an individual human being.

Those were not pawns in some larger struggle.

I've been reading a lot about Franklin Roosevelt recently, because Roosevelt is probably the man most responsible for dreaming up that post-war order.

What you see is he goes at one point to Casablanca and he meets with the Moroccans.

And he said he came to realize just how savagely the French had ruled over these people.