Fareed Zakaria

And he said, we are not going to have fought this war to allow the French to go back and do what they've been doing for these past centuries.

And we're not going to allow the British to go back and do what they're doing.

That if we are going to get in this war and save the West, as it were,

there's going to be a different set of values.

And much of that post-war order comes out of that.

Why did he want free trade and openness?

Because he thought there had to be a way for countries to grow to wealth and grow to feel their power without conquering other countries.

So I think you're exactly right, that it comes out of a very deep moral sense that there is a way to structure international life differently than it's been done for centuries.

And the thing I worry most about is that what Trump is doing

is irreparable.

Because even if you get another American president in, the world will have watched this display and said, oh, America can be just another imperial rapacious power and we need to start protecting ourselves and we need to start buying insurance and we need to start freelancing in the same way and protecting ourselves.

And then, you know, you get into a downward spiral, right?

Because if you think the other guy is going to defect, you're going to defect first.

And that's what I worry is going to start happening.

The Canadians, you know, you look at what the Canadians did over the last 30 or 40 years.

They basically made a single bet that their future was with a tight, close integration with the United States, politically, economically, in every way.

And they now look at the way in which the United States use that dependence to try to extract concessions from them.

And they're now saying to themselves, well, we need to buy insurance.

We need to have better relations with China and with India.

And once you start going down that path,