Fareed Zakaria

I think the idea that America stands for nothing, stands for, you know, no...

higher ideals, the idea that the United States is just a bully, that it's going to literally consciously emulate the ways of old-fashioned imperialists, that it's going to essentially become a version of Putin's Russia.

I don't think this is popular.

I don't think people like it.

I think that we are going through a bad phase in American history.

And I don't, I think, you know, there is going to be some, at some point the fever breaks.

And I think the problem is we would have done damage.

I've been hearing that for a very, very, very long time.

I know, I know, I know, I know.

And this is why I said to you, to me, the biggest puzzle is that the fever hasn't broken.

But, you know, sometimes these things takes longer.

Yeah, I mean, and that's the hope again, you know, that he's governing to his base, which he's doing very well, but he is losing, you know, the majority, not a huge majority, but it does, I mean, his approval ratings are in the high 30s at this point.

But what you have to hope then is that the next Democrat, or honestly, frankly, a Republican, like a John McCain type Republican would come up and say, look, we're proud of the things we've done.

We're proud that we were the richest country in the history of the world.

We were also the most generous country in the history of the world.

And I want to save the lives of the poorest people in Africa if I can do it at 1% of the federal budget, right?

Sometimes I worry the Democrats are too scared to make the argument that there's something honorable and noble about the kind of things we were doing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think, by the way, that is the place the Democrats should be.

Because as you say, the Democrats totally mishandled immigration over the last 10 years.