Fareed Zakaria

that becomes difficult to reverse, even if a wonderful, more internationally-minded, more value-based president comes into power.

The Indians, the same way, have been thinking to themselves, oh, we need to course-correct, and we need to take care of our own situation.

And if everyone does that, at some point, you're in a very different world than the world that we created after 1945.

Yeah, some of it will depend on whether is there an election that is a kind of complete repudiation of Trump and Trumpism in 28 and the world would read that in a particular way.

Look, there's a demand for American leadership.

I mean, look at the Europeans who are very reluctant allies at various points during the Cold War and now are desperate for an America that will simply commit to the alliance.

The more the world imagines what a world without American leadership and without American power looks like, the more they want it.

The problem is the world has changed.

During the Iraq War, China was not nearly as powerful as it is today.

Russia had not been able to revive itself through all the oil revenues, consolidate power as Putin has.

The world is different today.

And America is different.

Look, Bush, for all his flaws, always tried to appeal to broader principles.

The Iraq war, he went to the UN, he tried to get UN resolutions, he went to Congress, he articulated it as part of a much larger issue of terrorism.

He assembled an alliance of whatever, 45 countries.

Trump, with this Iran war, basically revels in the unilateralism of it.

He revels in the fact that he does it all by himself.

He doesn't want to bother with Congress, to bother with the UN, to bother with allies until things are going badly and then he starts screaming that he wants them.

But if Trump represents something in America that is deep and lasting, then it's very different America.

It's an America that really has...