Fareed Zakaria

Twice they dragged the whole world into it.

the the shift then from 1945 to this rules-based international system you know the united states basically it was franklin roosevelt's dream harry truman implements it um and what you have since then is remarkable it's there's

almost no war of conquest that has taken place.

There's almost no annexations.

There's almost none of that that has taken place.

Of course, there have been violence and conflicts, but it's a remarkable break.

And why did it happen?

It's because the United States conceived of a system that was not this traditional real polity law of the jungle.

It was

You know, let's try to create a world in which everyone has an incentive for peace.

Let's create an open economy so everyone can grow and prosper.

And they have this much more dark, you know, Machtpolitik.

It's like the 19th century German view of how to be powerful.

And the only thing I would point out is,

Trump says the European Union was created to screw the United States.

We basically encouraged the Europeans to come together because we didn't want them to fight wars again.

We thought that they would understand the advantages of commerce, and it worked brilliantly.

But the point you make, John, which is very important, is that the whole MAGA premise

is that the United States has gotten screwed over the last eight years and particularly the last 30 or 40, right?

Here's the data.