Fareed Zakaria

and maybe this is because I grew up in India, this is pretty amazing what you have been able to achieve.

And you look at the historical achievement of being able to have these stable middle-class societies in which individual rights are protected, where poor people are taken care of.

This is amazing.

Now let's try to get it right.

Let's try to get the Rube Goldberg of American health care to work better so that you actually cover that last 20-something million or however many it is.

But that is unsatisfying.

Nobody writes poems about expanding Obamacare.

So I see the problem.

But, you know, I think that that is the reality.

And when you start trying to find things to write poems and hymns and fight battles for, you're often going in dangerous places.

Now, that's the liberal in me, you know.

I'm suspicious of that much passion put into politics.

And look at what the passion on the right looks like.

I'm sure that the fundamental critique

that Trump comes at this from, which is that the United States has done terribly over the last 30 or 40 years, is just nonsense.

The United States has done extraordinarily well over the last 100 years, and in particular over the last 30 years, with one big caveat, where we have not been as good on distributional issues, which we could easily have done.

Exactly.

I'm wary of saying that the left needs to go somewhere where there's going to be a lot of drama and energy and people are going to be singing songs.

Because that often leads you in bad places.

Look, liberalism was born out of this distrust of...