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Fareed Zakaria

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

only 20 or 30 years before it collapsed.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And the reason was that the British elites got very engaged and enamored with the idea of controlling Iraq and controlling Afghanistan and controlling, you know, they would find these, there was this wonderful book called Africa and the Victorians by Robinson and Gallagher, in which they talk about how, why the British annexed Fashoda in the south of Sudan.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Well, because they thought you needed to control the Suez Canal to control the route to India.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Well, if you needed to control the Suez Canal, you needed to control Egypt.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But if you needed to control Egypt, you needed to control Upper Sudan.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But to control Upper Sudan, you needed to control Lower Sudan.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

So, boing, there you were, sending troops to Fashoda, which nobody anywhere in Britain would have any idea where it was and why were they doing that.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

Meanwhile...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

What they were neglecting was the reality that Germany was becoming much more productive.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

America was becoming much more productive.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And I look at what we're doing today.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I mean, you think about it, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

This is the third Middle Eastern war we have fought in 25 years.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I do worry that this imperial temptation

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

to have so much of the focus and the resources of the country placed in these faraway parts of the world, where it's not clear we're actually gaining much, we're expending enormous energy, and we're expending a lot of our moral capital, our political capital, our actual financial capital, that part is very similar to what happened to Britain.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And I don't know whether it's exhaustion or whether it's a kind of imperial arrogance or maybe a combination of the two,

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

But that feels hauntingly reminiscent.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

And it's actually mostly a vote against us because nobody actually wants Chinese leadership.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

I think they don't know what it would mean.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Civilization Trump Destroys May Be Our Own

The Chinese, for the most part, don't seem to want to offer it.