Fareed Zakaria

We go to Iraq and they're like, get out of here.

And we say, no, no, no, you don't understand.

We're going to set up a wonderful democracy where the Shias and the Sunnis will live together.

And I actually, as an immigrant, I think we do mean well in many of these cases, but we seem to have no understanding that

Other people have nationalism too.

There's this famous moment, it may have been apocryphal, when Mountbatten, the last British viceroy, is talking to Gandhi and saying- You know I love a good Mountbatten anecdote.

Throw it my way.

Yeah.

And he says, Mr. Gandhi, if the British just leave India, it's going to be chaos.

And Gandhi looks at him and says, yes, but it'll be our chaos.

And that's what I think most people don't understand sometimes.

People prefer their own chaos to a foreign-imposed peace, a foreign-imposed order.

And what Trump is doing is actually igniting nationalism and anti-American nationalism in places that have really never had it, like Canada.

Like Denmark, you know, like the Nordic countries, like Sweden.

I mean, I'm talking to these people and there you can feel that underneath they're trying to be polite.

There is a deep resentment at the way they are being treated.

And what are we doing this for?

I mean, that's to me the most bizarre part.

We're creating all these enemies out of allies.

For what?