Fareed Zakaria

For like the notional idea that we'll have more bases on Greenland, which we could have had anyway.

Yeah.

And in fact, even in Venezuela, I think it's important for people to understand, Chavez was hugely popular.

He won the first election absolutely genuinely.

Well, that's the difference between him and Trump.

These populist movements.

And the truth is, there are a lot of people who still believe in Chavez and believe.

So that's one of the reasons why this could get very, if they actually try a regime change, this would be very, very complicated because there are still, first of all, a lot of people with guns who are not going to give up power easily.

But there are also a lot of believing people.

Chavez followers, and then there's drug traffickers in Cartel.

So the whole thing is much more complicated, which is why the sad truth is this is probably going to look like essentially the most expensive arrest in human history of Maduro, which got rid of him,

got American oil companies some concessions into Venezuela and left everything else intact.

The entire repressive apparatus of the regime, the defense minister, the interior minister will all stay exactly as they are because otherwise you're opening a Pandora's box.

So the really interesting question, John, that I would put to you is, you know, if you assume all the things we're saying are true, the part that's most difficult to understand for me is why are Americans, or at least

40% to 50% of Americans okay with this.

You have a situation where it's absolutely clear that one party, that the president right now, is accumulating powers on a scale that no president has done in decades, maybe ever.

You have a situation where laws are being violated, norms are being violated.

You have a situation where he's intimidating the court, intimidating the Federal Reserve.

And yet, you know, he doesn't lose much support from his base.

And I think he's decided he's governing for his base.